Curse

xenoranger · May 09, 2006, 11:58 AM // 11:58

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Originally Posted by eudas

Would it have to shout its name every time it enters the room?

eudas

No, that would be animate bone windego (oops.. this isnt' the XMen arcade game... sorry)

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Originally Posted by GmrLeon

When one of your undead minions dies if your quick enough can you raise another from it's disappearing corpse? I think I somehow managed that once. Off topic I know..

Only Bone Golem leaves an exploitable corpse. I'm not sure that what you're describing is more than a glitch. According to ANet at least, it's impossible to raise/exploit a dying or dead (non-golem) bone creature.

Slight Side Note:
I kinda noticed that Flesh Golem acts really stupid outside of Cantha. I tried him in Tyria and he could take out a number of creatues in a few hits, but for the most part wandered around like an idiot while letting enemies tag him in the butt. Anyone else notice this?

Jagflame · May 09, 2006, 12:45 PM // 12:45

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Usually, a fictional humanoid species has the same basic body outline as a human, being bipedal, but differs in details such as coloring, ear form, presence of hair, average height and weight, size of nose, form of skin, "extras" such as horns, plates, claws, tails or multiple appendages, limb structure (such as having digitigrade legs) and taxonomic lineage (being descended from reptiles, fish, rodents, marsupials, or a phylum not evolved on Earth, perhaps, instead of primates). Reptilian humanoids are a common concept.

That's from Wikipedia. So I'd say the flesh golem is indeed humanoid.

Aeon221 · May 09, 2006, 12:55 PM // 12:55

Wikipedia is not a reliable source. I just changed that definition.

xenoranger · May 09, 2006, 02:07 PM // 14:07

Yeah, don't go by WikiPedia. Wiki works best for slang, but not for non-dictionary terms.

Either way, they already claimed a Flesh Golem should look like such, then altered it. It's like... pick a standard already.

Fitz Rinley · May 09, 2006, 03:34 PM // 15:34

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Originally Posted by Lasher Dragon

It has 2 arms, 2 legs, a torso and a head. That's humanoid.

Having read a fair dal in the esoteric, I have seen several recipes for golems. They appear to have been attempts to create life using body parts and the male half of the equation for fertilization. They ofcourse have a very low report for success. However, the traditional golem, whether made of clay or parts (Frankenstein like), were generally considered rather small - like Pinnocchio. Some text report them as having magical powers, carriers of messages, extensions of a sorceror's spying ability, and other things normally attributed to a witch's familiar. The difference is source and method of getting. Familiars are from a folk tradition about wise wo/men and golems about suppposed Qabbalistic sorcerors.

However, language is arbitrary. We are dealing with something translated to English/Western tradition from a fictional culture whose language we do not know. Perhaps golem is the closest the common speach of Tyria translates to our langauges. I am certain that 'golem' would not work well in Cantonese, Mandarin, Hindustani, Bantu, etc. Tho it would not be hard to spell in say Korean, it might mean something very different. <Grin>

Fitz

lyra_song · May 09, 2006, 03:45 PM // 15:45

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Originally Posted by xenoranger

Yeah, don't go by WikiPedia. Wiki works best for slang, but not for non-dictionary terms.

Either way, they already claimed a Flesh Golem should look like such, then altered it. It's like... pick a standard already.

Tyrian flesh golem VS Canthan flesh golem

Same name different thing. Like what i call a pizza...you'd probably not call a pizza cause it tastes different :P

Naxohs Seralna · May 09, 2006, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by lg5000

They already have a skill similar to it, it's called Martyre

Wrong!

In case the link doesn't work, here's the skill description:
Transfer all Conditions and their remaining durations from your party members to you.

Tongloid Tarthwood · May 09, 2006, 04:56 PM // 16:56

Animate Zombie has got to be one of the best skill ideas ever. I would change my secondary just to have it. In fact I think wammos would be improved by this skill. Basicly get the wammo killed, zombie animate and you've got a wammo with +100 IQ.

xenoranger · May 09, 2006, 05:45 PM // 17:45

ALthough, I will say that it'd be fun to animate a minion straight from the ground. Most of the games I've played (besides Diablo) allow necromancers to animate minions straight from the ground. This was nice because you didnt' have to exploit corpses all the time. But, the minions came at a cost. SpellForce (my most recent) required you to use mana to keep it alive. Basically, you'd have a -1 to your energy regen for every minion you summon straight from the ground. I could live with that. It wasn't bad in other games and I don't think it'd be too bad here.

Jagflame · May 09, 2006, 08:46 PM // 20:46

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Originally Posted by xenoranger

Yeah, don't go by WikiPedia. Wiki works best for slang, but not for non-dictionary terms.

Pfff, blasphemy. It's as reliable as GuildWiki is for Guild Wars and GuildWiki is quoted all the time...

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Wikipedia is not a reliable source. I just changed that definition.

And apparently the wikipedia moderators didn't like your change, because it's been changed back. Owned?

Fred Kiwi · May 09, 2006, 09:32 PM // 21:32

i want to animate a cow

also it could be a hunchback

Slade xTekno · May 09, 2006, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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Originally Posted by xenoranger

It's not the model I'm complaining about (as it does look cool), but it's the context of calling it a flesh golem when it looks nothing like a golem.

Golems are always humanoid in form. That looks nothing like a human.

Thanks for defining reality for us in a fantasy world.

A quick "dict golem" in Firefox brought up

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golem

n 1: (Jewish folklore) an artificially created human being that is given life by supernatural means 2: a mechanism that can move automatically [syn: automaton, robot]
[this is the second result]

To be honest, your definition golem doesn't fall under the first definition, either. That 10ft tall monstrosity you picture first is indeed humanoid, but looks far from human.

I wish I had my D&D books at my dorm; I forgot the name of the steel golem that looks like a bull.

EDIT: I found this little gem.

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Originally Posted by xenoranger

Yeah, don't go by WikiPedia. Wiki works best for slang, but not for non-dictionary terms.

Either way, they already claimed a Flesh Golem should look like such, then altered it. It's like... pick a standard already.

I take it you've never been to Urban Dictionary?
Some professors won't allow you to cite Wikipedia as a source because it is too good; a Wikipedia article, regularly update by experts on the topic, are the most reliable source of information today.
Wikipedia only becomes unreliable when people who don't know what they're talking about edit it. *cough*

M C H A M M E R · May 09, 2006, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Yeah...wikipedia is a amazing
I agree that it should be changed...but I also have to disagree...it is a golem in a way, just hunched overr

Lasher Dragon · May 09, 2006, 10:33 PM // 22:33

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Originally Posted by Slade xTekno

I wish I had my D&D books at my dorm; I forgot the name of the steel golem that looks like a bull.

I believe you would be referring to the Gorgon:

Yeah, I'm a D&D dork too.

Although, if I recall correctly, it wasn't a construct. I think it was a magical beast.

Edit: Yes, magical beast. Here's the stats: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/gorgon.htm

<flexes his geekliness>

Studio Ghibli · May 11, 2006, 02:57 PM // 14:57

This is one of those threads that amazes me in its existence.

If it's a magical construct, then it's a golem.

Mr_T_bot · May 11, 2006, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by Slade xTekno

I take it you've never been to Urban Dictionary?
Some professors won't allow you to cite Wikipedia as a source because it is too good; a Wikipedia article, regularly update by experts on the topic, are the most reliable source of information today.
Wikipedia only becomes unreliable when people who don't know what they're talking about edit it. *cough*

If by experts you mean any random, biased idiot, yeah sure.

xenoranger · May 11, 2006, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by Studio Ghibli

This is one of those threads that amazes me in its existence.

If it's a magical construct, then it's a golem.

Fair enough.

Then we should rename the Nagas as The Forgotten. It's only fair since both are snake-like creatures.

If you don't see the logic in my comment, then maybe you'll see my point.

Animated Flesh Golem is a very different looking creature from the Flesh Golems of Perdition Rock. To even pretend to call it a Golem is quite silly. Especially when you consider traditional RPG Definitions and Dogma (if you will).

Here's a little more food for thought.

Now look at the shape and form all all the golems in Guild Wars. Tell me who looks out of place. Who does not fit the mold given to golems by ANet (not a dictionary or anyone else).
ANet kinda set a standard there. Two arms, bipedal, upright stance... that description fits all but 1 of ANet's golems. So, calling it a golem (in general) isn't true to what ANet set as teh model.

lyra_song · May 11, 2006, 06:50 PM // 18:50

Those are all Tyrians vs the Canthan .-.

you are mooted!!

MOOO!!

*runs away frantically*

Vahn Roi · May 11, 2006, 06:53 PM // 18:53

xenoranger · May 11, 2006, 06:57 PM // 18:57

ROFL @ Vahn Roi

Although.. still upright stature, bipedal, and fitting the average fictional definition of a golem.